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June 21, 2012
What About Joel 3 and Zechariah 14?
Let me start out by saying this, the author of the book: The Pre-wrath Rapture of the Church, had a friend who pointed out that, "The Rapture of the Church will occur immediately prior to the Day of the Lord, and the Day of the Lord will begin with the opening of the seventh seal in Revelation 8: 1." But is that true? No it isn't. I choose not to condemn the author of the pre-wrath book in any way, but, instead, my deep desire and hope is that he would come to know the truth about God's Word (the Bible) concerning those things that are written in his book. Not only that, but I pray that many Christians, who are confused about the Rapture, the 70th week of Daniel, and the other prophecies that are written in the Bible about the end times, will also come to know the truth. Some of the things that are written in the above book have been taken out of context, probably not intentionally, but it still happened. I think it happened due to a lack of knowledge and understanding concerning "the Day of the Lord" in the Old Testament and "the day of the Lord" in the New Testament. This is especially true with II Peter 3. I believe that if the author had known what II Peter 3 was all about he would not have fallen for those false conclusions. It's the same with the Day of the Lord that Joel talks about in Joel chapter 3, verses 14 and 16. If the author had realized that Joel was placing "the Day of the Lord" in the time period of The War Against Jerusalem, and had realized that it (the Day of the Lord) was a single day, instead of a long period of time, he would not have fallen into error. Even if the Day of the Lord were, for some reason, a period of time, it would still have to be in connection with two events: The War Against Jerusalem and the Second Coming, and not with the 7 trumpet judgments as the pre-wrath book teaches. His friend was wrong about the Day of the Lord, and when it happens. The Day of the Lord of the Old Testament is not a false teaching. It is true. But the way it is presented in the pre-wrath book is false. The Day of the Lord cannot take place as the pre-wrath book says it will happen. See also "Paul's day of the Lord", and "Peter's day of the Lord".
There are 4 main events listed below that I want to point out.
They are as follows:
Those 4 main things will happen on that day, that same day, when Jesus returns.
The Day of the Lord is a time of God's wrath, but it is not associated with the 7th seal, the 7 trumpets or the 7 vial judgments which precede it. Nor is it in connection with the Rapture which happens seven years before the Day of the Lord. Let's examine what Joel has to say about this event.
"FOR, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I (God) shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem," (Joel 3: 1)
There will be a lot of Jews in the city of Jerusalem. Many of them will be held captive by those enemy soldiers, who are from all the nations of the world and who will be fighting the Jews there in the city of Jerusalem. Prior to entering the city of Jerusalem, those soldiers will have gathered together in the land of Israel at Armageddon and will have made their way up to Jerusalem.
God is going to allow enemy soldiers from all nations (Joel 3: 2, Zech. 14: 2) to come to Israel and Jerusalem. There He will judge these nations for the things that they have done to Israel over the years. This is not a judgment such as the 7 trumpet judgments and the 7 vial judgments, nor is it a judgment such as Revelation 11: 18 or Matthew 24: 31, 25: 31 - 33, 34 - 40, 41 - 46 describe. But God, instead, will destroy those enemy soldiers on Joel's and Zechariah's Day of the Lord on the last day of The War Against Jerusalem (Rev. 19: 21). God is not pouring His wrath upon the city itself, the city that He loves. But He, instead, gathers together all nations to Israel and Jerusalem, and there, in this battle (war), He will judge those enemy soldiers for their wickedness and their treatment of Israel, etc..., and because those enemy soldiers will have taken the city and captured many Jews. This is not God's judgment (wrath) upon His people, the Jews, either, because, as we shall see in this website, it is the Lord who intervenes for His chosen people. It is because of the enemy soldiers invading the land of Israel, and the city of Jerusalem that the Lord is the Hope for His people, the Jews/Hebrews. Not only is God going to bring all nations to Israel and Jerusalem to battle (fight in this war), but there is one other activity going on to bring this about also. You can read about that in Revelation 16: 12, 13 - 14, 16. That is when the demons go out to deceive all nations of the whole world into going to Israel and Jerusalem to destroy the Jews.
This battle, The War Against Jerusalem, may start as the enemy soldiers enter the land of Israel and head toward the valley of Jezreel (Megiddo) (II Chr. 35: 22) (Armageddon), or at Armageddon itself. In any case, whether the battle/war begins at Armageddon (Rev. 16: 16), or at Jerusalem itself, those enemy soldiers (Rev. 16: 14) will work their way up to Jerusalem and there (in Jerusalem) it will end.
Do remember that God is for His people, the Israelites, even though many of them will die in the battle. (The Lord may be chastening the Jews, but He is not pouring out His wrath upon them.). The Jews/Israelites who are killed in this battle are not the 144,000 of Revelation 7. They are from the remaining portions of Jews/Israelites who were not killed by the Antichrist and his helpers during the tribulation period (the 70th week of Daniel). They are a portion of "the remnant" of Revelation 12: 17, and were still alive when the battle/war began.
Two thirds in all the land of Israel will die.
"And it shall come to pass, that in all the
land (Israel), saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left
God is not going to literally cause His people (the Israelites) to go through or walk through fire. But He, will allow them to endure trials and tribulations which in turn will cause them to live holy lives before Him. Then will turn to God and serve Him. (See Zech. 13: 8 - 9.).
When it looks as though the Jews/Hebrews are losing in this war Jesus will come down out of the sky (Read Rev. 19: 11, Joel 3: 16, Zech. 14: 4 - 5.) and destroy those enemy soldiers. (See Rev. 16: 14, 19: 15, 21, Zech. 14: 3, 12.).
Do not forget, Zechariah and Joel are talking about the same thing, and this is referring to a war that will be fought one day over Jerusalem and its people, the Jews/Hebrews. Remember, Joel 3: 2 and Zechariah 14: 2 report that He would gather all nations to Jerusalem to battle. Revelation 16: 12 - 14 and 16 refers to "Armageddon", and it mentions "...the battle of that great day of God Mighty.". This, I believe, is referring to "the Day of the Lord" that Joel 3 and Zechariah 14 mention. The Day of the Lord will take place on the last day of The War Against Jerusalem, (See Joel 3: 16, Zech. 14: 3, 12, Rev. 19: 21.), which happens on the same day that Jesus returns to earth. (Read Joel 3: 16, Zech. 14: 4 - 5, Acts 1: 11, Rev. 19: 11.).
Joel wrote, but it is God who is speaking,
One might ask, Why does God say that He is going to bring them down?
The valley of Jehoshaphat is lower than the city of Jerusalem and those enemy soldiers will go up into the city. Then God apparently is going to cause them to be driven down into the valley, the valley of Jehoshaphat. We are talking about The War Against Jerusalem and yet, at the same time, this scene is building up to that day when the Day of the Lord will happen. It will happen on the last day of that battle when Jesus comes back to earth to reign.
Then in Joel 3: 9 we are now given more details concerning this battle, The War Against Jerusalem.
"Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare [for] war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:" (Joel 3: 9)
They're going to go up to Jerusalem, up into the city.
And the Gentiles are to,
"Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather
yourselves together round about:..."
This is what, I believe, the Lord will do on that same day that the Revelation/Second Coming, and the Day of the Lord, as described by Joel and Zechariah, take place. Jesus will judge all of those who are still alive on the day He returns to earth (Rev. 19: 11, Zech. 14: 4 - 5). The latter part of Joel 3: 12 is referring to the judgment in Matthew 24: 31, 25: 31 - 33, 34 - 40, 41 - 46. "...for there will I (God/Jesus) sit to judge all the heathen round about." (Joel 3: 12)
Let's consider the latter part of Joel 3 and its sequence along with a portion of Zechariah 14. First of all, Joel 3: 14 happens.
As The War Against Jerusalem is raging and nearing its end "the Day of the Lord" is near. It is near, about to take place, when those multitudes of enemy soldiers are entering into the valley, the valley of decision (the valley of Jehoshaphat).
"Multitudes, multitudes (of enemy soldiers) in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision." (Joel 3: 14)
That is "the Day of the Lord" which Joel and Zechariah mention. (The valley of Jehoshaphat is a place where decisions will be made. See Joel 3: 12. So, the valley of Jehoshaphat is the same as the valley of decision. This is at Jerusalem.).
When is the Day of the Lord near? It is near when those enemy soldiers are fighting in the valley of decision. That is when it is near. The Day of the Lord has not yet taken place at the time those enemy soldiers arrive in the valley of decision, the valley of Jehoshaphat. Remember, they are fighting. They are not just standing around twiddling their thumbs. This is still a part of The War Against Jerusalem. This battle will be in progress when Jesus comes to earth in Revelation 19: 11. The Day of the Lord will take place on the last day of The War Against Jerusalem when Jesus returns to earth and destroys those enemy soldiers (Rev. 19: 11). So, when those enemy soldiers are in the valley of decision then "the Day of the Lord" is near, and not before that.
Then, secondly, in verse 15 which is given below we have the sign that will take place right before Jesus comes in the Revelation/Second Coming. (See Rev. 19: 11.). But remember, Jesus does not return until after the tribulation period (the 70th week of Daniel) is over, and after the 30 days of Daniel 12: 11, and at the end of those 45 days of Daniel 12: 12. Jesus will come back to earth (Rev. 19: 11) on the 45th day of Daniel's 45 days (Dan. 12: 12).
"The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining." (Joel 3: 15)
That will probably take place within 24 hours of the Lord's return.
Then, thirdly, we have Joel 3: 16. This is when the Lord begins to fight for His people, the Jews, as He returns (Rev. 19: 11), descending from the sky to the Mount of Olives (Zech. 14: 4 - 5, Acts 1: 8 - 12) which is close to Jerusalem in the event called the Day of the Lord (Joel 3: 14, 16). Those "multitudes" of enemy soldiers will be fighting in the valley of Jehoshaphat (the valley of decision), and in Jerusalem (Joel 3: 16, Zech. 14: 2) on that day when Jesus returns in the Revelation/Second Coming. Joel 3: 14 is mainly referring to the enemy soldiers gathering together in the valley of decision. Whereas Joel 3: 16 is referring to "the Day of the Lord" actually happening. It (the Day of the Lord) takes place at the time of the Revelation/Second Coming. Joel 3: 16 tells us what is happening as Jesus returns on the last day of that battle, The War Against Jerusalem. (Read Rev. 14: 17 - 18, 19 - 20, Joel 3: 13, Rev. 19: 11, 15, 17 - 18, 19, 21.). The Day of the Lord has to do with Jesus fighting those enemy soldiers, from all nations, on the last day of The War Against Jerusalem. But the Revelation/Second Coming has to do with Jesus returning to earth, setting up His kingdom, and reigning here on earth for 1000 years.
Remember, "The Day of the Lord" will take place in Joel 3: 16 as described in Joel 3: 14. When Jesus fights and destroys those enemy soldiers (Joel 3: 16, Zech. 14: 3) at Jerusalem, in the valley of Jehoshaphat, which is the valley of decision, "the Day of the Lord" is taking place, it is being fulfilled. (Read Joel 3: 14, 16.). But remember, even though the Day of the Lord, and the Revelation/Second Coming take place on the same day, and at the same time, they're still two separate events. So, don't forget that. The Day of the Lord has to do with Jesus fighting those enemy soldiers from all nations on the last day of The War Against Jerusalem. Remember, The War Against Jerusalem will start before the Day of the Lord can happen. At the time that Joel 3: 14 is being fulfilled the Day of the Lord has not yet taken place. After the enemy soldiers are gathered together in the valley of decision, and are fighting the Jews, then it (the Day of the Lord) happens (Joel 3: 16), and not before that.
"The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter His voice (Zech. 14: 3, 12, Rev. 19: 15, 19, 21) from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of His people, and the strength of the children of Israel." (Joel 3: 16)
Do remember that the Day of the Lord is near in Joel 3: 14. It does not happen in Joel 3: 15. So it has to take place in Joel 3: 16, as this is the last chapter and the remaining verses (17 - 21) tell what will happen during the 1000 year reign of Christ.
And, finally, the fourth event is found in Joel 3: 17 - 21. When Jesus comes back in the Revelation/Second Coming, His feet will stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives. That is where they last stood before He went up into the heavens (Acts 1: 8 - 12). The Mount of Olives will split in two (Zech. 14: 4 - 5), the river will begin to flow from the temple (Joel 3: 18, Zech. 14: 8, Ezek. chapter 47), and the Lord will renovate (repair) the earth at the beginning of that 1000 year period. (See Isa. 2: 2 - 4, Mic. 4: 1 - 3.). (You can also read Isa. 2: 1 - 4, 11: 1 - 10, 33: 17, 20 - 22, 24, 35: 1 - 7, 65: 18 - 25, 66: 23 - 24, 9: 6 - 7, and Luke 1: 31 - 33.). All of those verses above go well together, they remain (stay) within their context, and they harmonize with each other.
Now let's take a look at what Zechariah has to say concerning these events.
"Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil (their goods, their earthly possessions) shall be divided (taken,
spread abroad) in the midst of thee."
In Zechariah 14: 1, God tells us that there is coming a day when the spoils will be divided (taken, spread abroad). That would be the things that the Jews, and maybe Gentiles too, own: their goods, their earthly possessions. That takes place during The War Against Jerusalem when the enemy soldiers are invading Jerusalem (Zech. 12: 2, Joel 3: 9). The Lord tells us how He will gather all nations (Read Joel 3: 2, Zech. 14: 2, Rev. 16: 14, 19: 19.) to Jerusalem to battle. Toward the end of The War Against Jerusalem a large portion of those enemy soldiers will go up to Jerusalem. They are called "the multitudes" in Joel 3: 14. (See Rev. 14: 17 - 18, 19 - 20. Read also Joel 3: 13, Rev. 16: 12 - 14, 16, 19: 15, 19, 21.). Zechariah tells us that the city will be taken (Zech. 14: 2). God, through the writings of Zechariah, gives additional details in chapter 14, verses 13 - 15, of what will happen during this battle, The War Against Jerusalem. Zechariah 14: 3 fits in with verse 12.
Zechariah 14: 12 tells us what happens to those enemy soldiers that come against Jerusalem, and against God's chosen people, the Jews/Hebrews, as Jesus comes down out of the sky in the event that we call the Revelation or Second Coming. At that time, Jesus speaks the word and every enemy soldier will drop dead as described in Zechariah 14: 12.
That is "the Day of the Lord" when Jesus intervenes and fights for His people, the Jews, and He will also destroy those enemy soldiers for coming against Jerusalem. (Read Zech. 12: 3, 8, KJV.). Zechariah 14: 4 - 5 has to do with what will happen when Jesus returns in the Revelation/Second Coming. Verses 6 - 11 and verses 16 - 21 of Zechariah 14 are in connection with what will happen shortly after The War Against Jerusalem (the last day of it), the Day of the Lord, and the Revelation/Second Coming. All of these will happen on the same day Jesus returns to earth. (See Rev. 19: 11, Acts 1: 11.). On that same day the 1000 year reign of Christ begins (Matt. 25: 34, Rev. 20: 6). Jesus will set up His kingdom and will reign on the throne of His father David. (See Joel 3: 16 - 21, Ezek. 47: 1 - 12, Luke 1: 31 - 33, Isa. 9: 6 - 7.).
Remember, The War Against Jerusalem will still be in progress when Jesus comes again in Revelation 19: 11. His fighting those enemy soldiers from all nations has to do with "the Day of the Lord" of Joel 3 and Zechariah 14. However, His coming in the Revelation/Second Coming is also associated with His returning to set up His kingdom. (Read Matt. 6: 10, Luke 1: 31 - 33, Rev. 19: 11, 20: 6.).
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